Kevin Hodges is the Chief Operations Officer at Tiger Medical Institute, which helps high achievers eliminate burnout, stress, and sleepless nights using the Tiger Flow Method. With his extensive background in psychology, he provides a balanced approach that empowers Tiger clients to examine their past experiences, acknowledge their present circumstances, and strive towards a healthier future. He has a Master’s degree in Counseling Psychology, a certificate in Domestic Violence Advocacy, and a BA in Mass Communications.
Kevin started his professional career in mental health at a psychiatric hospital and spent over a decade working with youth, adolescent, and adult patients. During this time, he was also an instructor for Non-violent Crisis Intervention in the hospital and community settings. Kevin served as the supervisor for the two alternative schools the hospital ran while acting as a liaison to Lake Washington School District as a mental health professional. In 2013, he taught as an adjunct professor in City University’s graduate program for counseling psychology.
Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:
- What inspired Kevin Hodges to become a health coach
- The benefits of having a health coach
- Approaches Tiger Medical Institute coaches use to encourage behavior change in clients
- Kevin talks about how his clients motivate him
- What are the most gratifying changes Kevin has seen in clients?
- The impact of Tiger’s eight health habits on the mental health of their clients
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Do you feel it’s time to do something about your health, but struggle to get started? Have you considered hiring a health coach?
Everyone wants to claim a healthy and balanced lifestyle, but it takes proactive steps to maintain the health we work hard to achieve. A health coach can teach and advise individuals how to live a healthy lifestyle. As a health coach, Kevin Hodges shares how he provides his clients with a balanced approach that empowers them to examine their past experiences, acknowledge their present circumstances, and strive towards a healthier future.
In this episode of the Tiger Performance Podcast, Steve Adams sits down with Kevin Hodges, the Chief Operations Officer at Tiger Medical Institute, to discuss why people should have a health coach. Kevin explains the benefits of hiring a health coach, the approach Tiger uses to encourage behavior change in their clients, how his clients motivate him, and the impact of Tiger’s eight health habits on the mental health of their clients. Thanks for listening!
Resources mentioned in this episode:
- Steve Adams on LinkedIn
- Tiger Performance Institute
- Unleash The Peak Performer Within You by Steve Adams
- EOS Entrepreneurial Operating System
- Tiger Performance Institute, Decode 2.0
- Kevin Hodges on LinkedIn
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Steve Adams 0:20
Steve Adams here founder and CEO of Tiger Medical Institute, I’m the host of The Tiger Performance Podcast where I interview thought leaders about their unique stories and the specialized knowledge they can offer the world. Okay, it’s time to acknowledge our sponsor for today’s episode, which is the Tiger Medical Institute. Our focus is on the mid-career dental professional C-suite executive and entrepreneur, many of whom are depleted and are not showing up as the best version of themselves. The Tiger system is a personalized root cause approach to health optimization and regeneration. The Tiger system is a one-year health transformation journey empowering you so you can show up as the best and healthiest version of you. Visit tigermi.com today to learn more. Today’s guest I’m excited to introduce you is the Chief Operating Officer and health coach one of the health coaches at Tiger Medical Institute. His name is Kevin Hodges. Kevin moved to Seattle in 2002 to study at the Seattle School of Theology and psychology received both a master’s degree in counseling psychology and a certificate of domestic violence advocacy in 2007. Kevin also has a BA in mass communications from Taylor University and upland Indiana. He started his professional career in mental health at a psychiatric hospital and spent over a decade working with youth adolescent and adult patients. He was an instructor for nonviolent crisis intervention in both hospital and community settings during this time. For the final three years he served as the supervisor for two alternative schools the hospital ran while also acting as a liaison to Lake Washington School District as a mental health professional. In 2013, he taught as an adjunct professor and city University’s Graduate Program for counseling psychology. He transitioned out of the mental health field to help raise his two young sons shortly thereafter, and after a brief stint as a full-time stay-at-home dad he received certification from the National Association of Sports Medicine, and began personal training in the private sector. And 2015, he contracted with excess sports performance and expanded his personal training to corporate gyms, at both the Nintendo headquarters in Redmond, Washington and Google campuses in Kirkland and Seattle. Kevin once again pivoted in 2020 when we all did, when the pandemic closed most of the gyms and facilities across the globe, he began his own coaching business focusing on a holistic integrative approach to helping busy professionals find balance and work in life. With Kevin’s extensive background and psychology in both clinical and community settings, as well as education and personal training, he provides a balanced approach that empowers Tiger clients to examine their present circumstances and acknowledge and accept the past while firmly moving forward towards a healthier future. Kevin, welcome to The Tiger Performance Podcast.
Kevin Hodges 3:27
Thank you, Steve.
Steve Adams 3:29
So nice background, my man. And I knew a lot because I hired you. But I’m really excited to have you here today because we want to answer the big question. Why should I work with a health coach? That’s our goal today? And I think you’re uniquely qualified to answer that question. And so, first show, just tell us a little bit about your family.
Kevin Hodges 3:52
Oh, yeah, for sure. A lot in there, you mentioned that we have two boys. So I just celebrated my 17th wedding anniversary with my wife, Natalie. And we have two boys, Henry is 12, Hudson’s nine, and school year just started. So life is back into a different kind of transition where we have better schedules, but all those tasks that come with school, but we live in Kirkland, Washington, and we’re really, really fortunate and my wife’s family’s nearby. So we have grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins that interact with our kids quite a bit. So pretty fortunate.
Steve Adams 4:27
That’s great. Well, that’s good. Well, Kevin, as you transition in 2020, to coaching, I kind of look at your whole history, you also are an athlete. I guess the question I have is like what drew you into coaching? What excites you about it? What gets you up in the morning excited about helping people achieve change?
Kevin Hodges 4:52
Yeah. I think the term coach can be interchanged with some different roles that we see in our community to sort of on a nonspecific way, like mentors, people in our life that kind of give us guidance counselor’s and then more specific, like therapists and teachers and things like that. And I’ve always kind of felt some kind of see myself in one of those roles at different times, what that looks like. But so, coaching is that term for me is that person that is doing teaching, that’s offering mentorship that typically has gone through it themselves. And so they’re coming from a place of experience with some knowledge. But my favorite part two is just what, it’s such a benefit to be able to learn from our clients. And I think that they forget that sometimes. And I think that’s what I get excited about. I don’t think that gets listed in the coaching thing, people think we’re rah rah, rah, and we have the answers. But truly, we’re learning as people go, because our clients are so unique. And that’s a big part of what gets me up in the morning is just partnering with somebody to help them to get healthier.
Steve Adams 6:03
Excellent. And so when you think about your experience coaching people, and it hasn’t just been limited to the last three years, since you pivoted I mean, you were coaching people, as a trainer, you were coaching people as psychologists to, what do you believe are the primary benefits? Let’s narrow it down to the Tiger setting, like, as a health coach, what are the primary benefits to our clients to take that extra step of not only partnering with a physician to get really, specific data about their health, but then partnering with the Health Coach, what do you think the benefits are?
Kevin Hodges 6:45
Yeah, you and I have talked about this, and a lot of people may not know that there, you know, there are health programs out there, they’re very expensive, and they give you lots of information. And that’s oftentimes, that’s where it ends, right. So here’s 300 pages we just dug into you, here you go. And then people go, what am I supposed to do with this? And I think that’s what sets us apart. One of the things, there’s obviously several things, and I think from the coaching perspective, as people start to learn about themselves, there’s a few areas that they need support, and right. So sometimes the information can feel scary, right? So they start to feel alone, like, Oh, I’ve been given this diagnosis or something was found out about me. So partnership is a huge piece of coaching, you have this person that saying, like you’re not alone. And I think even that is as simple as that needs to be sometimes you’re not alone, we’re here with you on this journey. And then my approach as a therapist in the hospital, as a personal trainer, as a coach, my hope is always is to educate somebody to journey with them. And then I tell people, I tell clients, especially when I was in training, I hope you don’t need me going forward, we can still have a partnership. But I want to empower you to the point where you feel confident in this. And I think that’s another thing that coach does is they set you up for success beyond their role.
Steve Adams 8:09
And I think the key term there, too, is need. People can have a long term ongoing relationship with a coach and benefit from that, but they don’t need them. There’s a difference, right? Maybe unpack that a little bit.
Kevin Hodges 8:24
Yeah, I think that as a father raising children, right, and I have a 12-year-old and I started to think about, I need this kid to be independent, I want him to be able to, do it on his own. And I come from a relational psychology background, that’s a big part. And I often try to help people to understand like, I view success, I view good health as you are able to stand on your own. And I think what we all want for our children is that they become independent, and then choose to come back to us right in some form. And that’s a really great relationship. And as a coach, it’s the same thing, it doesn’t mean that now we’re done. See you later. It’s more that you can do this on your own. And now we’re into a partnership, and there’s a sort of mutual benefit there. And that’s our goal, right is to empower people. so they’re not dependent on us. But we all need help going forward.
Steve Adams 9:19
Sure, something we talk about in our team meetings is we know we are Tiger, we’re really in the new you business, okay? It’s not just about our doctors. It’s not just about the science. At the end of the day, we’re going to be evaluated on our clients are investing their money with us to help them become a new person to transform. And we all believe as a team that people want to transform it’s in them they want it and that’s really the hero’s journey story. I mean, all those movies we watch, it’s somebody who transforms okay, they just need a plan. And they need a guide and a helper. And that’s what we are. And so as a result, if you’re going to transform, that means you’re changing from where you are now. And I know for me, five years ago, six years ago, when I started my own personal health transformation journey, I had to acknowledge that I had certain habits and behaviors that got me there. Okay, and I needed new ones to get me to a new place where I could say, I transformed. The question I have for you, Kevin, is in your work with our other coaches, how do you as the coaching team, get behavior change to happen in someone’s life? Now I know it’s not all on us. But what are some of the tools, the devices, the theories that you use to help people actually start to make baby steps and incremental change in their behavior?
Kevin Hodges 10:57
That’s a great question. And it’s going to look different for each client. But I think, one of the big things that we start with a Tiger is mindset. And one, understanding what mindset clients are bringing into us, right, that can be a big difference. If somebody’s coming in with trepidation, and they’re not quite sure what they’re going to experience, that mindset is very different than somebody that’s coming in and saying, like, I’m ready for change. So mindset, understanding what each individual client’s mindset is, and then how we’re going to approach that. And then developing a mindset around what this program is about, it’s not easy making these changes are tough. And I tell everybody, if we asked you to change one area of our eight health habits, that would be a big ask, we have eight of them. So that takes a lot of work. But the mindset coming into it can set the tone for each of those, then we start to look at we’ve used BJ Fogg, we’ve looked at James Clear, we have a lot of background and mindset and habit formation and change. And there’s lots of different factors that go into that. But a lot of it is starting small. So when our health habits, we try to start with very simple parts of what we want them to learn. And then we can make it more complicated. And each client is going to move through each health habit at a different pace. But we start with those small changes in the beginning. And then as they adapt those habits, we can start to work and build from that. So mindset really matters to get us kick-started, and then start to work on small changes and stay focused on those eight health habits we have.
Steve Adams 12:34
And then, Kevin, why is it important to start small? Is that related to the motivation willpower question?
Kevin Hodges 12:41
It is, it’s definitely something that, especially when you pick a lot of categories, if we were talking about one thing, we might be able to jump in a little bigger, but we have so many things that we’re going to be changing, that keeping it small in the beginning, plus, we want to set people up for success. And so when we make small incremental habit changes, those start to stack and build. And even though you think about somebody dieting, and they lose 10 pounds, they’re like, I lost 10 pounds in seven days, is that the goal wasn’t the goal to slowly get your weight. And then all the things around that weight. So the big changes feel good sometimes, but do they last. And that’s ultimately, as agents of change and health, we want these things to stick, and to last a long time. And the research is played out over and over again, making those small changes are big building blocks.
Steve Adams 13:37
I know, in my book, Unleash The Peak Performer Within You, the research I did on willpower, it was really stunning, basically, willpower is unreliable. So we have to build habits not relying on willpower, we have to build automation. And we have to build our schedule to support it. And we got to start small because our motivation or willpower is not, you need to start with the lowest, little thing. And one of the examples I’ve used when I’ve coached people is, trying to get them to do their diaphragmic breathing in the morning. And what I found was everybody hits the button on the coffeemaker in the morning, so we tied, okay, do five minutes breathing when you hit the button to the coffeemaker because that’s a prompt that reminds them to do it. And they got to wait five minutes anyway for it to percolate. So you might as well do your breathing. And so just a little, it’s an example of what you’re talking about there.
Kevin Hodges 14:35
Yeah, it’s great. And actually the percolation is a really fun metaphor to play with, right? Because essentially that diaphragmatic breathing that start you’re percolating who you are inside, right, like that physiological response. And again, you nailed something to is tying in a new habit to an existing habit. We know that there’s a lot of strength in that too. I mean, that is exactly the things that we start to coach people on is, some people say, well, I don’t have the time. I say okay, well, what do you do?
Steve Adams 15:04
Yes. So Kevin, in your experience working with clients, he talked about some, obviously can’t name names for HIPAA. But what are some of the exciting things you’ve seen the changes you’ve seen in our clients that kind of fuel your tank?
Kevin Hodges 15:24
Yeah, well, honestly, one of the big things that we see in a lot of people, to varying degrees, though, is when people go from a fixed mindset to a growth mindset. And that’s not a category that we say that you’re always a fixed mindset about everything. I don’t mean it in that terms. What I mean is that we each have areas where we have developed an idea about ourselves, that we think that we’re not going to be able to change, like, I’ll be able to do a lot of these other things, but this thing, I won’t be able to change. And that to me, when people start to one, they kind of get a better understanding of what that looks like for them. It’s very exciting. Because when somebody is adopted a growth mindset, it’s awesome to see that change comes, right. They’re like, oh, psychologists, I’m always curious, like, how did we get to these fixed mindsets? Why did I think that I would never be successful? Why did I think I would never have this because my family didn’t, things like that. So those relations are important. But that’s exciting. I think when people realize that we’re not selling anything magical here, right? When they kind of come to this place where they’re like, wow, like, this is pretty practical, but it’s hard work. And it’s like, tada.
Steve Adams 16:40
Right. It is.
Kevin Hodges 16:41
That’s a really good feel. Because the journey isn’t over then. Right? No, it’s actually sort of the beginning. But that’s what so much of the work that we do is getting people to realize, like this isn’t, no, hear me out what Dr. Matt does is pretty special. So it’s not magic, but it is special. And our backgrounds as coaches and the way that we’ve developed our program is special. So it’s hard to repeat, but it’s not magic. It is a lot of hard work, backed by science, and a lot of psychology.
Steve Adams 17:12
Yeah, I like to say it’s simplicity on the other side of complexity. Dr. McNamee did the 10 years of study and residency and did all of his work. And then he worked in Silicon Valley for seven years working with a lot of high end executives fixing their malaise, if you will, from all the stress and overwork. And so, it’s been that, and then we’ve ended up integrating three different branches of science into the program that looks seamless to the client, they don’t really realize they’re getting it, but they are. But you’re right, at the end of the day, what we’re asking people to do is allow our clinicians to get a incredible amount of data on them. So they can personalize and customize a treatment plan for them. But then once they get that it really comes down to the blocking and tackling fundamentals of daily living, that you work out with your health coach. And so it’s the integration of those eight health habits with the data from the clinical side. And when those two synergize it’s pretty exciting to watch, we’ve seen people have massive reductions in a one C levels, inflammation level reductions improvement in their weight, everybody gets more energy, everybody sleeps better, everybody de-stresses, I mean, it’s so cool when people distress because all the data on heart rate variability, if you activate the vagal nerve and get more recovery and your body going, if that is predictive of better health in the future. So people and they’re achieving these on their own really, with the guidance of a coach.
Kevin Hodges 19:08
Absolutely. Yeah. It’s incredible. And it makes the work, you know, that much more enjoyable, and it feels fulfilling, right, because you’re watching people learn, and then establish habits, and then move forward in their health. And it’s I mean, I geek out on that. So that’s the job, right? Like, that’s where I get excited to see people do that. And one of the great things too, is working with so many of our clients that have seen the progress, how it starts to kind of ooze out of them, they want to talk about it, they want to share it, but honestly, I think they don’t always articulate this well, but I think what they want now is to give that to somebody they know that struggling, and isn’t that one of the best things that we can do is that we can start to improve and touch lives several degrees away from us, right?
Steve Adams 19:57
I can say how it’s worked on my own family on both sides, my wife’s and my family health was not pursued. I mean, everybody wants to good health, but no one was taking any proactive steps, including me. And as I’ve transformed me, my kids watch that happen. And my wife, and even my parents, so my son, coaches, my 81-year-old father now, just off the side, because he will listen to me, he’ll listen to his grandson, but not his son. And what I’ve seen is, is as I transformed, everybody around me got better. And so we have this language in our family, now, we all have aura rings, we all talk about what our readiness scores were. And there’s this vernacular in this language now, that is in our family that wasn’t there five years ago, and I’m so excited about it, because of the downstream effects it’s going to have 50 years from now. And that’s what we’re talking about, it’s infecting all of our clients, families, we hope.
Kevin Hodges 21:01
Yeah, I think it is, I think it’s inevitable. And one of our clients recently said, he said, I had five or six people come up to me and say, what’s going on? You look different, then he said, I lost weight at the beginning of the program, but I haven’t been shedding pounds. So it’s been a few weeks that they’ve seen me. So it’s not the weight loss. He said, there’s just something about me? And he’s like, I think it is it’s this energy that sort of flows from him. But I think it’s also our countenance, what is occupying our thoughts and our emotions? And when you’re in a better place of health? I think that you carry yourself in a way that that seems obvious. So yeah.
Steve Adams 21:41
Well, I love the quote is, the person with good health has 1000 dreams, the person without good health has one. And I know for me, going through a Health Transformation personally, the last three years had been the most productive three years of my life, combined more than anything else in my past. And it’s not that I didn’t do anything, I was the president of a bank at 36 years old, and built a large company prior to the one that we have here, the tiger, but the amount of energy and clarity and excitement and optimism and clear-headed thinking ability to focus, although in the stamina, all of that is there in a way that I haven’t had ever in my life altogether. And so, what this enables me, and what I hope our clients who engage with us understand is, your goals can be different, and everybody’s building a business, you can show up as the best version of a grandmother that you possibly can be our mother or father, or friend, or be able to enjoy mobility and the ability to go to Europe or someplace into your 80s instead of having to stop, then maybe I’ll play on the floor with your grandkids versus sitting in a chair and just talking to him. It’s such a game changer for people. And to me, that’s what’s most gratifying and seeing the empowerment of our clients to change and rescript their future redefine what age should tell them what their expectations should be. How about you, what are the most gratifying things you’ve seen?
Kevin Hodges 23:27
Yeah, I think that is a big part of it, even the practical simple things that we kind of overlook. But food, somebody sitting down to a meal, and not stressing about eating healthy, just eating what’s right for their body, because they know they’ve gotten the information, right, and then to be satisfied with the meal and to be able to let it settle, go for a walk those things sounds too simple. But to be honest, I’ve spent time with people not in this program, when you go out to eat people stuff themselves, and they grab their belly, and then they suffer the consequences of indigestion and whatever allergy they might have, this is a daily occurrence for people. And I just think like, why do we keep doing this to ourselves? So those things are very simple. And then yeah, like you’ve talked about as well, again, the relational piece, as people look at their health in a way that’s positive, and they have this mindset of like, this is just the beginning. I’m going to keep working towards this. It’s actually doesn’t take that much bandwidth. Once you get those habits established, then you can start to use that good energy for work, relationships, community, it trickles down into all these other areas. And that is the goal, that is the goal of what we’re trying to do is promote not just a healthy lifestyle for each individual, that’s what they come to us for. But we know that that starts to permeate the community and then hopefully, keeps going out.
Steve Adams 24:52
Right and as a mental health professional, how do you feel like a person who integrates these eight health habits and goes through the process with Tiger. How do you believe that can help them with their mental health?
Kevin Hodges 25:06
It is tremendous it is, well, we know that there’s a lot of information and research and it just keeps growing the catalog and of things like, the gut-brain access and what’s happening with our dietary indigestion, and what’s going on with our mental health. And you mentioned clarity and thinking and those kinds of things. And I mean, it’s a really big deal to kind of start to solve some of those problems. Inflammation in the gut can have real effects with our thinking and our mental health. Breathwork, right, we talk about it as breathwork or HRV training or it can start to become something with like meditation, but any of those things, they have a huge impact on mental health. And we know that there’s so much research that verifies that our breathing can impact so much of our clarity and how we deal with stress. And you mentioned earlier about the vagus nerve and the parasympathetic versus sympathetic fight or flight freeze, and all these things that we might experience, whether it’s on a low level, I have too much to do, how am I going to get through the day I’m overwhelmed to a high level, I’m actually encountering crisis. How do I handle this best and these health habits bring you into a place where you start to understand how you can get yourself into a calm place. And you can think rationally and clearly, even under some stress, it’s tremendous.
Steve Adams 26:33
Yeah, we don’t tell people we can eliminate their stress, what we teach them is how to self-regulate through it and build resilience. And there’s all kinds of data. And I’ve got research cited in my book about the tie the correlation between vagal tone, and HRV, and mental health because when you have low HRV, that’s correlated with anxiety, depression, a lot of mental health problems. And it’s basically because you’ve got this brutal rubber band, you have no variability in your cardiovascular system. So your life comes at us highly variable. And when your resiliency, Oregon, your heart can’t perform up to the task, that’s when the mental health sets in. And so, people that work with us, we always we improve their HRV, which means they get a stretchy rubber band, which then means they can flex with life better, and like for Dr. Matt with me, he found out I had genetic disposition to not making dopamine and serotonin, I had a gut biome problem, I had access of inflammation throughout my body and in the gut. And so as a result, I had a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear-based thinking, I used to make rash decisions out of fear. And as Dr. Matt cured all of that, and I implemented the habits, none of that is present in my life anymore. Like I’m just very resilient, whenever I have any kind of thought like that I can deal with it and move on, and no one ever knows, doesn’t come out and some stupid decision I make. So for me, it was very real, I used to have a lot of daily mental health challenges that are simply gone.
Kevin Hodges 28:14
Yeah. And I’ll add on to that, because, you know, you said that we can’t, we don’t solve people’s stress. And there’s such a truth there. I can tell you from experience working inside of a behavioral Hospital, in a psychiatric setting, is that so much of what we were doing on the unit with patients who were coming into us with crisis is we weren’t going to take their stress away, their stressors were numerous. And outside of our control, we were trying to do exactly what we do at Tiger, but on a much quicker, smaller scale, right. We weren’t homeostasis, we had to find a little balance back for them. But a lot of it was around things like controlling our breathing. Something as simple as that is getting somebody to calm down, but we were never going to take away all of their stressors. So how are we going to empower them to go back into that world too often with those same stressors existing. And that’s exactly what it is, and that’s a crisis setting. So it’s not typically what most people have experienced on any level, but it’s still a lot of the skill set. It translates.
Steve Adams 29:21
One of the reasons that I wrote my book on Unleash The Peak Performer Within You and we have our newsletter that we send to our clients. The other side of this and I had a client recently explained this to me, he goes you know, I thought I was getting a medical program but I actually got a mindset program also because what we do is we try to teach people a new worldview of lasses better of learning how to have these cycles of effort and then cycles of recovery and work, a lot of our dentists do this. They only work three days a week and the chair and they have two recovery days. The ones that are the most successful. And what I have found is, I only work about 35 to 40 hours a week now, I used to work 70, for 30 years, I’m getting more done working less than I ever did before, because I’ve learned how to re-engineer my life around a sustainable form of peak performance, learning how to work in a flow state how to be highly concentrated for an hour at a time, and getting 500% more done than I used to get done. And so that’s also important part of what we do with people is it’s not just the medical it’s, you’ve got to pair that now with a new way of thinking.
Kevin Hodges 30:37
Yeah. And I think that’s such a unique part of what we do. So it’s awesome.
Steve Adams 30:44
Well, Kevin, thanks for joining me on The Tiger performance podcast.
Kevin Hodges 30:48
Yeah, absolutely. It’s been a pleasure to be here. And I’m obviously excited about the work that we’re doing. And I appreciate you having me.
Steve Adams 30:56
Sure. Well, and if you want to learn more, just go to tigermi.com. We have a learning center where we’ve got articles on health habits, you can learn about our program, just a lot of things that will help you educate yourself on maybe you can do it on your own. Or if you want to get a health coach, like we’ve talked about today, you’ll be able to learn about that and how you might be able to do that with us as well. And you can also go into the team page and learn about me and Kevin, if you want. We’ve got our bios there. But anyway, I just want to thank everybody for listening in and thank you and come back for our next episode.
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